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Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?

Started by wildrose28 at 2009/11/14 08:19AM
Latest post: 2009/11/14 09:11AM, Views: 3784, Replies: 197
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#1   2009/11/14 08:19AM
Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
wildrose28
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What the he!! is going on with Elizabeth? She just completely went off on Nikolas & Rebecca. Why? Ok maybe she had her reasons, but it seems to me that she's putting the affair all on Nikolas, and not taking any of the responsibility on her part. Well Nikolas needs to stand up to her and tell her it takes two to tango. Elizabeth is a grown woman who made the conscious choices to sleep with Nikolas, accept Lucky's marriage proposal, and to keep the affair a secret. It's not like she didn't know what she was doing; she knew exactly what she was doing. Instead of taking responsibility, she's putting the burden on Nikolas. I bet once the truth comes out, everyone is going to be on Nikolas like Elizabeth is some angel. It makes me wonder who she's really protecting in all of this: Lucky or that "halo" everyone seems to believe is over her head.

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#2   2009/11/14 09:11AM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
Devil-or-Angel
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I agree with everything you said...

Despite what she said in her dream...it did not just happen. While she and Nik might both be guilty of not being able to stop now, the responsibility for the start of the affair is squarely on Liz's shoulders. SHE left the hospital and took a launch to the island, that did not just happen. Nik did not seek her out; She choose to do it.

I'm not the least bit surprised that she is blaming someone else for the consequences of HER actions...

#3   2009/11/14 10:36AM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
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What I just don't understand is why everyone can understand when Carly, Maxie, Sam, Lucky, Nicholas,Or any other character in the soap universe is acting out in emotional pain and turmoil because of some traumatic event or a series of traumatic events that have happened to them, people can always cut them slack and defend them.
But no body can cut Elizabeth any slack at all?

"People do crazy things when they are in pain" How many times have we heard that mantra chanted over and over again in defense of Sam?
Yet Elizabeth, who is clearly in emotional trauma and pain is acting way outside of who she has been for years gets no sympathy.

But no one wants to even consider that her horrible break-up with Jason, her baby's father and the man who she has been in love with for years may be at the root of her situation right now.

She is struggling to face the realization that she is never ever going to be with Jason, that she is NEVER going to stop loving him. How do you make peace with that? Especially when you have no confidant or support system? Someone who can listen and understand and comfort you?

This is only part of the reason she is acting confused and spinning out of control.
The last 2 years have been hell for Elizabeth. Jake has been kidnapped twice. Her best friend was brutally murdered. Jake almost burned up in a fire Cam set. Elizabeth was injured trying to save him, She almost died during the toxic balls crap. Not to mention all the drama and stress her push and pull relationship with Jason, and all the other things that I didn't have time to put down here. And she went through all this while being a single mom holding down a full time job.

Elizabeth is allowed to be confused, make mistakes, and have a messy azz life. She is not this perfect angel people want to make her into.

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#4   2009/11/14 10:42AM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
LuvingGH
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Quote stormy1000: What I just don't understand is why everyone can understand when Carly, Maxie, Sam, Lucky, Nicholas,Or any other character in the soap universe is acting out in emotional pain and turmoil because of some traumatic event or a series of traumatic events that have happened to them, people can always cut them slack and defend them.
But no body can cut Elizabeth any slack at all?

"People do crazy things when they are in pain" How many times have we heard that mantra chanted over and over again in defense of Sam?
Yet Elizabeth, who is clearly in emotional trauma and pain is acting way outside of who she has been for years gets no sympathy.

But no one wants to even consider that her horrible break-up with Jason, her baby's father and the man who she has been in love with for years may be at the root of her situation right now.

She is struggling to face the realization that she is never ever going to be with Jason, that she is NEVER going to stop loving him. How do you make peace with that? Especially when you have no confidant or support system? Someone who can listen and understand and comfort you?

This is only part of the reason she is acting confused and spinning out of control.
The last 2 years have been hell for Elizabeth. Jake has been kidnapped twice. Her best friend was brutally murdered. Jake almost burned up in a fire Cam set. Elizabeth was injured trying to save him, She almost died during the toxic balls crap. Not to mention all the drama and stress her push and pull relationship with Jason, and all the other things that I didn't have time to put down here. And she went through all this while being a single mom holding down a full time job.

Elizabeth is allowed to be confused, make mistakes, and have a messy azz life. She is not this perfect angel people want to make her into.


Awesome Post Stormy, and I totally agree with your analogy of what's going on with Elizabeth and why! Your post doesn't needed anything added you have said it all.

#5   2009/11/14 11:02AM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
onlygh
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"Is Elizabeth going nuts?"

Gee, I'm not sure I see anything about her behavior, present or past, that would indicate Elizabeth has any mental issues. She's flawed, just like any good soap opera heroine...so what?

Just so we're clear...the list of flawed GH heroines is long. The present cast of characters alone boasts these flawed, beautiful women...Liz, Sam, Carly, Maxie, Lulu, Alexis. All have done things to hurt themselves and others. All have done things they'd like to take back. All have lied to their loved ones. All have lusted after men they knew they should steer clear of. All have also been good, loyal friends and confidantes. All have been introspective about the decisions (right and wrong) that they have made.

Liz is confused now. She's embroiled in the age-old, tried-and-true soap opera battle of love versus lust, and right now she's losing. Yes, she should tell Lucky she's been intimate with his brother. Yes, she should stop messing around with Nik. Yes, she should take a break from both men until she decides what she really wants. Yes, she should break the engagement with Lucky. These are the things she should do but she's not ready yet. Liz has a good soul and will ultimately do what's right, just like most of her other flawed-GH-sisters did.

I'm just hopeful that my lovely soap opera gals keep on keeping on with their flawed ways and poor choices. I'd sure hate to tune into a bunch of nuns at 3PM everyday.

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#6   2009/11/14 11:26AM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
wildrose28
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Quote stormy1000: What I just don't understand is why everyone can understand when Carly, Maxie, Sam, Lucky, Nicholas,Or any other character in the soap universe is acting out in emotional pain and turmoil because of some traumatic event or a series of traumatic events that have happened to them, people can always cut them slack and defend them.
But no body can cut Elizabeth any slack at all?

"People do crazy things when they are in pain" How many times have we heard that mantra chanted over and over again in defense of Sam?
Yet Elizabeth, who is clearly in emotional trauma and pain is acting way outside of who she has been for years gets no sympathy.

But no one wants to even consider that her horrible break-up with Jason, her baby's father and the man who she has been in love with for years may be at the root of her situation right now.

She is struggling to face the realization that she is never ever going to be with Jason, that she is NEVER going to stop loving him. How do you make peace with that? Especially when you have no confidant or support system? Someone who can listen and understand and comfort you?

This is only part of the reason she is acting confused and spinning out of control.
The last 2 years have been hell for Elizabeth. Jake has been kidnapped twice. Her best friend was brutally murdered. Jake almost burned up in a fire Cam set. Elizabeth was injured trying to save him, She almost died during the toxic balls crap. Not to mention all the drama and stress her push and pull relationship with Jason, and all the other things that I didn't have time to put down here. And she went through all this while being a single mom holding down a full time job.

Elizabeth is allowed to be confused, make mistakes, and have a messy azz life. She is not this perfect angel people want to make her into.


First of all, if this was Sam, Carly, or Maxie, you all would've been calling them every type of edited by admin for use of a derogatory name towards a character. in the book. Second of all, I didn't say she wasn't allowed to be emotional and confused, I said she shouldn't be putting all of the blame on Nikolas when she is just as responsible for the affair as he is. Sorry if you all don't agree with it. edited by admin for baiting.

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#7   2009/11/14 12:08PM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
ghfanfare
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Hmmm. Well, I don't care if she puts all the blame on Nikolas. Nikolas is a weirdo and needs to get lost. Better yet, he can throw himself off one of those turrets at his castle of doom and gloom and then Elizabeth can be rid of him for good.

Plus, then maybe Spencer can finally have a life.

P.S. Is it you or Elizabeth going nuts?! I don't know. I hope it's not you.

#8   2009/11/14 12:17PM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
wildrose28
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Quote ghfanfare: Hmmm. Well, I don't care if she puts all the blame on Nikolas. Nikolas is a weirdo and needs to get lost. Better yet, he can throw himself off one of those turrets at his castle of doom and gloom and then Elizabeth can be rid of him for good.

Plus, then maybe Spencer can finally have a life.

P.S. Is it you or Elizabeth going nuts?! I don't know. I hope it's not you.


I don't think Nikolas needs to die, he just needs to get his priorities straight. Instead of trying to move on with a new woman, he needs to move on and be a father to Spencer because that's who needs his undivided attention right now. Not Elizabeth, not Rebecca just Spencer.

#9   2009/11/14 01:32PM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
liz-fan
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I don't really see Liz as going nuts...
I see her as floundering...

I see her as wanting desprately to love Lucky and be what she believes she should be... Yet not being able to make herself.

I see her pushing Nicholas away because he reminds her of who she is and that she will never be in love with Lucky again. Not that she is anymore in love with Nicholas than Lucky.

Nicholas is just the one that she can target with her anger at herself.

Yes it wrong but it is human..

Liz needs to come to terms with the fact she isn't going to be the perfect person everyone wants her to be. She can only be herself...

#10   2009/11/14 01:37PM
Re: Is it me or Elizabeth going nuts?
Devil-or-Angel
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Wildrose,

Not sure there is any point in arguing this. There are plenty of fans who think that all of Liz's mistakes should be 'forgiven, understood, sympathized with or overlooked' because she

...was in emotional pain at the time and it caused her to act out of character...
but apparently she is the only one only deserving of these considerations, because if you try to say that about almost any other female character's actions, you will most likely be told that that reason DOES NOT excuse them for their bad behavior or that they should NEVER be forgiven!

Go figure!

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